Inside the Lockheed Martin F-35 Cockpit (Deep Dive)

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00:00:08: Lockheed Martin recently went on a roadshow in Austria.

00:00:12: The well-known US defense and aerospace company brought along as state of the art flight simulator.

00:00:19: Militäraktuell had their unique opportunity to test fly the fighter jet F-XXV under expert guidance pilot

00:00:28: Ryan

00:00:29: Blake.

00:00:30: Afterwards, we sat down with him and Mario Magana – International Business Development at Lockheed Martin to talk about the F-XXV program.

00:00:40: Enjoy this deep dive episode of The Militaire Actuelle

00:00:45: podcast!

00:00:58: So Kutcher, you flew F-sixteen and your flying F-thirty five.

00:01:02: That's exactly right.

00:01:03: so I've actually had a chance to fly a lot of different airplanes in my career um...so over fifty different types.

00:01:09: the most recent that i was flying before the f-thirty-five is the f sixteen very capable fourth generation fighter uh..and then i transitioned couple years ago into the f thirty-five fifths generation fighter.

00:01:21: fairly smooth transition but fairly exciting going from an f-siexteen doing it And so now I think you'll get your chance to fly the F-Thirty Five.

00:01:30: Are we ready?

00:01:32: Yes, my name is Stefan Tesch and i've never flown an airplane before.

00:01:36: when I was a child... ...I used Microsoft Flight Simulator A lot.

00:01:40: maybe a little bit of preparation for that.

00:01:42: That's all you need!

00:01:43: You're gonna do just fine All right.

00:01:45: So uh.. I'm sitting here in the cockpit Very narrow.

00:01:49: What's our first step?

00:01:50: Okay, so what you can see here right in your cockpit.

00:01:54: You mentioned that it's narrow I will say actually its wider than some fighter cockpits.

00:02:00: when i went from my s- sixteen to the up thirty five and was impressed by how much space At your right hand here, you'll see that's the control stick.

00:02:08: So... You had in your Microsoft Flight Simulator Right?

00:02:11: You probably had a maybe a yoke or something.

00:02:14: Did you have a stick when you were...?

00:02:15: Yes it was a stick.

00:02:16: yeah Okay perfect alright.

00:02:18: so you know In general with this stick Your preparation for a Microsoft Flight simulator All you're going to do is hold exactly like what we've got there And then pull back.

00:02:27: It will climb on an airplane When push forward and descend.

00:02:30: If turn left Move Left Turn Right You'll see on your left hand there, that's the throttle.

00:02:37: And so the throttle just moves forward and back.

00:02:39: So when you move the throttle forward it will go faster.

00:02:42: When you move it back It goes slower.

00:02:44: What you're noticing right now is that you've reached a detent or stop.

00:02:50: If you look up here That shows how many thrusts are requested Almost one hundred percent of what the aircraft gives without afterburner.

00:03:01: Of course this aircraft has afterburner and so if you continue to push past that hump, just push a little bit harder.

00:03:07: There ya go!

00:03:08: Alright?

00:03:08: You see there now you've got about one hundred fifty percent in what we defined as is full after burner.

00:03:16: So now we've dumped a lot of fuel in the back of the airplane.

00:03:19: We've lit it on fire, and so you're going a lot faster.

00:03:22: You just increased your thrust by about fifty percent And so now you are going much faster than before.

00:03:28: For our listeners what exactly is the afterburner?

00:03:32: Jet engines have very complicated machines but they will bring in air from front of the plane And then we combust it kind of like in a car engine except an aircraft engine and jet engines.

00:03:49: Those are spinning very, very fast.

00:03:51: We combusted the air goes very fast out to back So that gives us a lot thrust.

00:03:55: It's actually even without afterburner at say powerful engine.

00:03:59: But our after burner now just take extra fuel And we combust that, so have some igniters just like a spark plug in the car and it ignites fuel.

00:04:11: Now gives us more concentrated energy.

00:04:16: when you see the video of fighters taking off what looks fire coming out from back is afterburner which really increases your forward thrust But it's only limited to a very short time, I guess.

00:04:29: So you could go an afterburner as long as you need but it takes a lot of fuel and so generally we will use Afterburner when we need for very short periods.

00:04:40: if were trying take off in the short distance then we'll use AfterBurners.

00:04:44: If we're trying accelerate really fast We can use After Burner And once get into speed that we need Then pull that throttle back to place.

00:04:53: thats not using AfterBurner us to cruise more efficiently and be able use the onboard fuel that we've got.

00:05:01: Of course this airplane can air-to-air refuel, so really we could stay airborne indefinitely hours if needed by constantly taking on fuel from an aircraft.

00:05:13: Those are your main controls as you stick in right hand and throttle left hand.

00:05:18: So what were going do now is take off So kind of like in your Microsoft Flight Simulator, you're going to push that throttle forward.

00:05:28: I'm gonna select Go here on the simulator and we'll start accelerating.

00:05:32: what you are seeing out front is what would be seen through helmet mounted display.

00:05:37: We can talk about this for just a minute.

00:05:40: Your Helmet Mounted Display puts all information right infront and I'll be honest when i'm flying, I forget that it's on my helmet.

00:05:49: It just seems like its out there in the distance somewhere...it is very intuitive but always right infront of me eyes wherever I look!

00:05:56: And I've got important things such as my heading..my airspeed....and altitude all of this information that would need to fly.

00:06:04: the airplane is right

00:06:05: there!!

00:06:05: I don't have to look down like a previous type of plane.

00:06:10: Its displayed in front.

00:06:12: That also, that information no matter where I look.

00:06:15: I can see that information.

00:06:17: so now if you look over to your left You could see what the helmet mounted display would look like.

00:06:23: and as you turn that information stays in front of your eyes.

00:06:27: And there's not only Information about your airspeed an altitude but There is a lot of tactical information.

00:06:34: So you could Look at right for example and you Could See Where Your Wingman Is.

00:06:39: So what you're looking at now is a circle with the number two in it, and that tells you exactly where the other F-thirty five on your formation.

00:06:45: It does tell how far he's away And so always know we are all friendly aircraft R or any of our enemy aircrafts.

00:06:58: You of course also have this big touchscreen panel in front of you.

00:07:03: So, this is like a gigantic iPad right?

00:07:05: It...you can touch it and select different things that want to look at or dive into submenus just as on the tablet.

00:07:14: Just touch where you wanna go Touch what you wanna look at and automatically display for you.

00:07:21: Make windows bigger if you want, resize them.

00:07:24: You get a lot of good tactical information here.

00:07:29: So this display right here, we call the Tactical Situation Display is like you're looking down from space and you can see that top-down view where your aircraft or wingman aircraft are or it's a radar.

00:07:48: So one of the sensors that uses is the radar, so actually you brought up a good point.

00:07:54: where does this information come from?

00:07:56: and it comes from a lot of places?

00:07:58: The F- Thirty five in addition to being very maneuverable fighter also has a lot.

00:08:05: So you said radar, and this aircraft does have its own radar.

00:08:09: And it points out the nose... ...and it's a very fast radar—a very powerful radar.

00:08:14: so we can see many-many miles in front of us….

00:08:17: …and I could see things all around us!

00:08:19: We also have all sorts other sensors that are being used to display these pictures right here.

00:08:33: listening for any other radar that's pointed at us, and so that will help to build that picture.

00:08:39: So that way we can see things that are behind this... We also have infrared cameras looking around.

00:08:48: And if there is heat signatures or aircraft it could be fired towards.

00:08:57: We also have interrogators that are constantly looking for other aircraft, that might be responding to certain interrogations.

00:09:07: And so all of the information gets fused together right here in front you.

00:09:11: and this picture your seeing is what we call a fused picture when talk about sensor fusion.

00:09:17: it takes all these sensors and displays at right here too.

00:09:22: The good thing about the F- Thirty five that other airplanes generally don't have is that when I was in my other fourth generation fighter aircraft, I did have various sensors like a radar or an electronic warfare pod.

00:09:38: Or targeting pod?

00:09:39: I would have to operate each of those individually and each of them gave me a piece at the information And it might brain out half.

00:09:46: that aside this peace goes with this piece which goes with his piece In the F-thirty five, I get all of that information right there on the display in front me.

00:09:56: So i don't have to think about which sensor is looking at it Right now?

00:10:20: from another source.

00:10:21: It may not even come from my airplane, so my wingman maybe looking at that with his radar and through the data link...the data link we've got within our flight.

00:10:31: he might be passing this information to me in an airplane.

00:10:34: if I want to query it will tell where i get the information.

00:10:38: but what I know tactically is see that information right there.

00:10:41: In addition being a touch screen you can also control everything right from your stick and throttle as if you were at your keyboard in mouse on a computer.

00:10:52: That way, you wouldn't even have to take your hands off of the stick or the throttle while you're flying.

00:10:57: You could just command it with the buttons here.

00:10:59: So for example Right now we've selected that window For use.

00:11:04: If I wanted to Control a targeting pod i can Just Take that switch.

00:11:08: I Could Click It Once To The Right And You Can Move That?

00:11:11: Now That's What I Have Selected.

00:11:13: So if I move it back over to here, do my tactical situation display.

00:11:17: Now i could actually start get some information about my tactical situations.

00:11:22: You have the equivalent of a mouse right there.

00:11:24: so If you take that and slew around...you can move that cursor Right There Over To One Of Those Squares Which Is An Air Target.

00:11:32: And now we Start Get Some Information About That Air Target.

00:11:35: We Can See how fast it's going, which direction its going.

00:11:40: If there is any sort of identification that provided for their can listen to an electronic signature and tell me what kind a airplane whether friendly or hostile all right there if I wanted designated as something need get more information.

00:11:58: So right now, you're highlighting our wingman.

00:12:01: And so you can see what are Wingmen's fuel state is?

00:12:05: What kind of weapons he has and all that as without us ever talking on the radio to The Wingman You could just query...and Datalink will tell me automatically He got this much fuel and he've got this many bombs or this many missiles left.

00:12:18: So that's a general overview of the cockpit.

00:12:21: You can notice there is not a lot switches in the cockpit, it actually fairly intuitive and clean design.

00:12:29: having never flown an aircraft before you are already switching between windows or interrogating your wingman With no experience and with a few minutes of instruction, you already kind get the idea how to fly the F-thirty five.

00:12:47: Manoeuvring here through menu while flying must be very difficult.

00:12:53: So it takes a little bit of practice, but another secret to the F- Thirty five is that It's actually pretty easy to fly The way the flight controls are designed.

00:13:05: It's very stable Is very maneuverable platform But very stable.

00:13:09: so really we don't have to spend a lot of our time as pilots flying the airplane Right?

00:13:15: We we spent our time looking at the tactical situation and think about commander, right?

00:13:23: Who may have somebody else you know driving the tank or something for him while he just makes decisions.

00:13:29: It almost feels like that in the F- Thirty five.

00:13:32: The airplane is so easy to fly.

00:13:33: You don't have to think a lot about it.

00:13:36: You can Just let it go put it In the position That you need and then you Can concentrate on the tactical situation.

00:13:42: What you've noticed here if you hit A button whether was intentional Or not where you Put yourself into an air To surface mode.

00:13:48: So this switch Right Here That's the air to surface.

00:13:52: If you were to push it forward, You would be in an air-to-air mode right?

00:13:55: So this is how we interact with the airplane To tell that okay now I'm gonna shoot a missile Now i am going to drop a bomb and navigate my way around And so its very intuitive interface.

00:14:08: as you've seen.

00:14:10: We're gonna practice that.

00:14:11: In just one minute we are going take off and show you How to shoot a Missile or Drop a Bomb.

00:14:16: Are you ready for that?

00:14:17: More than ready Perfect Okay, so for the takeoff you've already pushed the throttle forward.

00:14:24: I'm gonna hit go on our simulation here and we're going to start accelerating down The runway.

00:14:28: We're Gonna Start gaining speed very quickly And when?

00:14:31: We get To about a hundred and sixty knots or So.

00:14:34: You're just Going to pull back On this stick A little bit and were going to fly away from the ground.

00:14:38: Once We fly Away From the Ground You See We've got a gear Handle over Here to the left and you'll Just squeeze that and you raise That up and that's the way will Raise the Gear.

00:14:46: And once you do that, your takeoff is complete.

00:14:48: It's really that simple.

00:14:49: You'll be flying away from the ground.

00:14:50: So we're on.

00:14:51: go now.

00:14:52: if you push the throttle even a little bit further We'll do an afterburner.

00:14:55: take off there you go.

00:14:56: so see very quickly.

00:14:58: Yeah, we are already one hundred knots in runway.

00:15:00: That right?

00:15:01: One hundred forty-forty Yes!

00:15:03: Right there and pull back There ya go!

00:15:06: And so... You were already airborne.

00:15:09: Now you can raise gear Perfect Just have to use paddles Yeah, and so the pedals.

00:15:16: honestly we use those for some steering on the ground.

00:15:19: And if we get into some close-in maneuvering We'll use those a lot of times since the airplane is so stable will just move The stick to the direction that we want to go?

00:15:28: So now yeah If you what you're doing right Now as your turning right in a very smooth turn You can see how How smooth and easy to fly the airplane.

00:15:38: it's Just continue that turned to the right and we're gonna go about more degrees or so, and then we'll roll out.

00:15:45: And will show you how to target an air target.

00:15:48: in which area are we flying?

00:15:50: I didn't ask about the air base.

00:15:51: where started?

00:15:52: Yeah So our simulation were actually from our main plant back in Fort Worth.

00:15:56: Of course We've got three main plants that we produce these airplanes From.

00:16:00: we've Got one of The United States We've Got One In Japan and We'd Got One Here in Europe in Italy.

00:16:06: We're Simulating That We're Flying Out of Our United States Plant in Fort worth Texas.

00:16:12: So already, right?

00:16:13: We've only been flying for a little over a minute and you're at four hundred seventy knots almost the speed of sound.

00:16:20: And your climbing away an you pointing yourself towards these air targets here.

00:16:25: so in order to interact with this system we are going move our selected window back over hereto left.

00:16:31: if take this switch righ here just click it once on the right yeah there ya go.

00:16:37: now were interacting with target tactical situation display.

00:16:41: Let's move your cursor right there.

00:16:43: You're going to move it to that first square, which is an air target and Automatically you can see our radar as looking at that And he gives us some information and you're gonna take your Target management switch on the stick and click it forward once I lighted the target.

00:16:56: now That's exactly right.

00:16:58: so you've got a red circle white square on this green.

00:17:00: Yep Now its circled yep?

00:17:03: And So now we're just going to put the aircraft in an air-to-air mode.

00:17:06: so your weapons management switch will push it forward.

00:17:08: Once You've got a red circle around your target, and you see over here on the right it's both on your panoramic cockpit display.

00:17:18: And in your helmet mounted display...you now have a bunch of target information.

00:17:23: So you see automatically that aircraft is forty-eight miles away, so we can't see him with our eyes.

00:17:29: But of course the aircraft knows where it is and so It'll draw a square around Him.

00:17:33: And just looking through your helmet You know exactly Where?

00:17:36: That target Is.

00:17:37: you Know how far away he is How fast He's going how high he is?

00:17:41: so A bunch Of information about him.

00:17:44: The Aircraft will also do its own calculations in Its Own interrogations and it'll be able to tell you whether or not their aircraft is hostile.

00:17:50: In Our city aircraft tells me that it's hostile or not.

00:17:53: That's right.

00:17:54: So what we have done, Right?

00:17:55: We have to tell the aircraft What our rules of engagement are and generally we do that before Before we take off.

00:18:01: now The aircraft knows with the rules R And it will Tell us that based Off the rules you told me that Aircraft is hostile.

00:18:08: so today in Our simulation this air craft Is hostile and You can see here were getting Contributors from a bunch Of different sensors Some radar and some infrared Sensors and some interrogators.

00:18:19: All of our sensors say This aircraft is hostile.

00:18:22: We're in an air-to-air mode, we've selected it.

00:18:25: And even though he's beyond visual range... ...we can now shoot a missile against it.

00:18:30: So if you are ready this red button right there the weapon select You just press that button Looks dangerous.

00:18:37: It is dangerous for other aircraft.

00:18:38: Let us do this.

00:18:40: Ok I have pressed it.

00:18:41: Now your looking out front and you see the missile Right?

00:18:46: Yeah, so the rocket motor of the missile has fired and you see the missiles going at several times the speed of sound out in front us.

00:18:54: You'll also notice that the missile right now is talking to the airplane... ...and they're exchanging information!

00:19:00: And so if that target out in-front started maneuvering.... The aircraft would know and it will tell the missile that other aircraft was manoeuvring.. ..And It Would Tell the Missile Which Way To Turn.

00:19:12: Now the missile has its own radar, and the missile is now guiding on that target.

00:19:17: So the missile sees the target.

00:19:19: You're also looking on your screen.

00:19:20: here you are looking at another infrared picture.

00:19:23: so a heat sensitive picture...you can see right in the middle of this screen That's the airplane trying to attack.

00:19:30: Of course, you're in a stealth airplane.

00:19:31: It doesn't know your here yet But you can see it because of your advanced sensors.

00:19:38: That was the heat picture The infrared picture.

00:19:41: And so what you are looking at now.

00:19:42: You saw big explosion.

00:19:43: So before that aircraft ever knew you were there... ...you were able to engage it Shoot the missile and now you just shot that air craft down.

00:19:50: Okay we got it.

00:19:52: Yep!

00:19:52: Good job Alright?

00:19:56: Okay, so now that we engaged an air target let's show you how we engage a surface target and it is as easy as the air target.

00:20:05: So lets put our aircraft in Air-to-Surface mode...so this same weapon select switch here will move to the left.

00:20:11: And then we are in Air To Surface mode right there.

00:20:14: In our Air To Surface mode automatically we have some bombs selected which tells us which bomb we have selected.

00:20:23: And we're in this air-to-surface mode here.

00:20:25: We still have the same cursors that we had before, so let's move that cursor with that cursor select.

00:20:30: Let's move it over here to that triangle on the ground.

00:20:33: The one says One-O-Six.

00:20:37: Okay, perfect.

00:20:38: So just like you did with the air target we're gonna select that one for targeting.

00:20:42: so You're going to take that button and move it forward once the option on your right stick Right?

00:20:46: The first time tells us that were interested in that Target And do It again.

00:20:50: this second Time Tells Us That's a Target We want A bomb and so now We have Just told This Bomb Right Here What the coordinates of that Target Are.

00:20:58: I can even see it On the Camera.

00:21:00: Is is it a Tank?

00:21:01: No It's actually a surface-to-air missile launcher.

00:21:04: So we want to go attack that because now it probably won't see us, because we're stealth aircraft but there might be some other aircraft that we wanna protect.

00:21:13: and so That's exactly right, it is a hostile air defense.

00:21:19: Alright so that aircraft or target on the ground now to our left if you look in your helmet out to the left as you move your head You can see... Now do you see that triangle looking at through your helmet?

00:21:32: Thats where the targets are.

00:21:35: imagery that you've got in your helmet is always there, and now you just have to look out the side.

00:21:40: And automatically the aircraft tells you That's where your target is but it on my left.

00:21:45: The Target is On Your Left Now.

00:21:47: so we've kind of flown past It But That' Okay We Still.

00:21:50: The Aircraft Knows Where It Is.

00:21:52: You Can Move Your Helmet You can See Where it Is.

00:21:54: So Now We're Going To Turn To The Left Just Like You Did After Take Off Except Now To The Right.

00:21:59: Let'S Turn Back In.

00:22:00: So we're constantly getting information from the airplane about where we are in relation to the target.

00:22:05: You see, you were about fifteen miles away from the target and all that information gets displayed right into your helmet... ...and we're about a minute-and-a half away.

00:22:12: form the target!

00:22:13: As you turn to the left....you'll continue to turn.

00:22:16: We even have some steering cues here.

00:22:19: This aeroplane symbol that's on your helmet shows which direction you're going And this steering line over there tells us how much you need to keep turning to get back onto the target.

00:22:28: So as you continue to turn eventually, You'll be pointed at the target.

00:22:32: so just yeah Continue that Turn.

00:22:34: and this is a high G airplane.

00:22:35: You could even pull back hard on The stick And you can see your going At four g's.

00:22:39: now Very good!

00:22:41: So you Can Pull all the way up To nine g's in This Airplane.

00:22:44: So right around there?

00:22:44: You can Roll out.

00:22:45: so Stick to the Right.

00:22:47: So we're turning Back.

00:22:48: I was too fast.

00:22:49: Yeah That's Alright.

00:22:51: So back to the left and See automatically the aircraft Tells us We are In Range for the bomb, and now we're in zone.

00:22:59: So just like we did for air to air you can hit that same red dangerous button.

00:23:02: go ahead my head is shaking.

00:23:04: yeah you got it.

00:23:06: so hit the button.

00:23:07: You Can See Just Like Before We Get Indications That There's A Launch And Now We Get Timing.

00:23:12: It's Thirty Seconds Until That Bomb Hits The Target!

00:23:15: So What Your Looking At Here In Your Target Flure Picture...So Thats The Heat Sensitive Picture That You Saw For The Air To Air Target.

00:23:22: You're seeing the same thing for the air-to-ground target.

00:23:25: And you can now break out those missiles that were going to target somebody else, we are gonna take that out so they cannot target anybody else.

00:23:32: How far is it?

00:23:33: Target away?

00:23:34: no We overflying our targets and its below us by a few miles.

00:23:39: As you see in just couple of seconds We have just, we've just bombed it.

00:23:44: So our sensors that you didn't have to do anything with right.

00:23:48: all You did was you took the information?

00:23:50: That the aircraft presented you and you Just made a tactical decision.

00:23:53: your The commander And you decided that is hostile and I need To go attack It.

00:23:58: and so when Do you know?

00:24:00: When Is the perfect time to set off the bomb?

00:24:04: So the aircraft will tell you when your in, um...the ability of a bomb to hit target.

00:24:10: And saw it was window and so there's some planning that you'll do before hand decide what are appropriate targets attack.

00:24:20: but once made that planing really is as simple designating on display just like did then air craft actually which direction steer hit that weapon release switch to drop the bomb.

00:24:35: It gives you all of the information you need.

00:24:38: So we were overflying enemy air defense and they weren't shooting at us?

00:24:43: That's exactly right, yes!

00:24:44: Because your in an airplane with a very small radar signature... ...and couldn't see you.

00:24:50: now Your fourth generation compatriots perhaps could be seen but just took out Sam's sight so it wouldn't have been shot down.

00:24:58: And so how many combat missions did you say you've flown?

00:25:03: This was my first.

00:25:04: Okay, this is your first combat mission and you just shot down an enemy aircraft... ...and destroyed a target right!

00:25:10: So all the life goals are

00:25:12: reached?!

00:25:12: There ya

00:25:13: go!!

00:25:16: It's such intuitive interface that with just few minutes of instruction can fly a full combat mission.

00:25:22: I'd like to talk about some safety implications, uh...some safety features that the airplane has.

00:25:27: Um there are times where a pilot might become incapacitated either he pulls too many G's or as problem with oxygen or some physiological problems when it happens.

00:25:40: fortunately doesn't happen often but sometimes does happened.

00:25:43: no pilot may be come unconscious and The airplane may start to fly towards the ground when the pilot is unconscious.

00:25:52: This aircraft has a system called the Automatic Ground Collision Avoidance System that will automatically make sure the plane does not crash if the pilot isn't conscious.

00:26:02: So, let's simulate.

00:26:04: you became unconscious and the aeroplane started to dive toward the ground.

00:26:08: so just push forward on this stick Keep pushing for it until we're diving at the ground in a steep dive.

00:26:14: Alright now lets go over.

00:26:16: So, we've just simulated that you are unconscious.

00:26:20: You're not controlling anymore and so... ...you don't have to do anything with the stick now?

00:26:24: Yeah!

00:26:24: You can let go exactly like you done.

00:26:26: We were pointing to ground where it's going down very fast And you see those chevrons right there?

00:26:34: Immediately did you notice the airplane avoided the ground?

00:26:37: You weren't even touching a stick but the plane immediately flew away from the ground.

00:26:42: So if for some reason you were incapacitated, it's okay.

00:26:45: The airplane will fly away from the ground until you regain consciousness and then you can start flying again.

00:26:50: Have ever experienced such a situation?

00:26:52: Fortunately I haven't.

00:26:55: Unfortunately, I know people who have.

00:26:58: And this system actually now has documented lives that are saved because of it and we've got the system in other Lockheed Martin platforms like F-sixteen where when people go unconscious which again doesn't happen often but While you're flying, now this is a highly maneuverable airplane right?

00:27:23: A fifth generation fighter.

00:27:24: there are some key components of it.

00:27:26: We've mentioned stealth already.

00:27:28: that's one key component.

00:27:29: we've talked about the sensor fusion.

00:27:31: That's another one...we've talked About the data links.

00:27:34: sharing that information..that's Another One!

00:27:36: Um....a fourth one Of a Fifth Generation Airplane Is that they Are Highly Maneuverable and I'll admit really fun to fly.

00:27:43: So let's look at that.

00:27:46: Have You ever done an aileron Roll before?

00:27:49: What?

00:27:49: A roll.

00:27:50: Yes, a roll!

00:27:51: Alright so this is very maneuverable airplane.

00:27:54: So we're flying right now.

00:27:56: We are about four thousand feet above the ground and going at speed of sound.

00:28:02: Take your stick move it as hard you can to left.

00:28:05: Whoa

00:28:05: that was a roll Right... So really rapid roll.

00:28:10: Why don't push throttle all the way forward until afterburner And start pulling back on the stick?

00:28:18: Now we're doing a looping.

00:28:21: So you started there, so your at nine G's.

00:28:24: now I can feel them.

00:28:25: Lots of Gs There ya go perfect Rolling back.

00:28:30: That was the looping.

00:28:31: Yeah excellent Very good.

00:28:34: You see in an F-thirty five probably You're going to be targeting things that are well out in front of you, right?

00:28:42: That's generally how this would work.

00:28:44: But if for some reason there was another enemy aircraft within visual range... ...you can see how quickly you could maneuver the airplane in order to defend yourself and if needed shoot down an other plane.

00:28:57: In reality it is also too easy to make a looping.

00:29:00: It absolutely is!

00:29:02: The simulation your flying here just like what we have on our airplane.

00:29:07: As matter fact The F-thirty five only has a single seat, right?

00:29:12: There's only one person in the cockpit.

00:29:14: And so when you're learning to fly the f thirty five like your doing.

00:29:17: right now there is nobody else on the airplane with You.

00:29:21: So we train on simulators just Like the One that Your flying Right Now.

00:29:25: and it's SO much like the Airplane That the very first time We fly an F-Thirty Five you are In the airplane all alone and you don't need An instructor To tell you what to do because you've already done All of the practice in simulator On the ground And because frankly it's a fairly easy and intuitive airplane to fly.

00:29:41: Okay, so you've done the takeoff.

00:29:44: You have now done full combat mission... ...you've some aerobatics.

00:29:47: I think that last thing is coming back at land.

00:29:50: Are you ready for landing?

00:29:52: That's the sensitive part.

00:29:55: It will be just fine.

00:29:56: as matter of fact The airplanes are going help you.

00:29:59: What your gonna see through your visuals Is about five miles from our runway right in front.

00:30:06: So to get ourselves prepared for landing, we were doing our aerobatics and combat maneuvering in full afterburner.

00:30:13: But now that we're landing... We don't need it anymore.

00:30:16: so you can pull the throttle back!

00:30:18: Just continue pulling back even some more.

00:30:21: Right about there is fine.

00:30:22: just a mid-range setting In order.

00:30:24: land....we've raised our landing gear right to preserve our stealth And make ourselves faster.

00:30:29: but now to land..we are going put our landing gears down Yeah, and so you just squeezed perfect.

00:30:36: Just like that.

00:30:37: Okay So you've just lowered the landing gear.

00:30:40: we've got an indication here That all three landing gear are down.

00:30:44: Now I told you that this airplane is fairly easy to fly in.

00:30:46: it'll help You land.

00:30:47: one of the ways?

00:30:48: It helps you as it can control The throttle on its own.

00:30:51: so that button right there just press it and release it okay?

00:30:55: Do feel how but do see the throttle is moving on Its own.

00:30:59: so now the airplane Is going to control the speed.

00:31:01: You as a pilot don't even have to do that anymore.

00:31:04: So the only thing you now have to is focus on pointing down towards the runway and the airplane's going.

00:31:11: help there, it will show exactly where your'e going with that miniature airplane symbol, flight path marker And put that at the beginning of the runway.

00:31:24: Since the airplane, if you've done any of your Microsoft Flight Simulators sometimes in other airplanes.

00:31:30: You have to use trim a lot and smaller surfaces.

00:31:35: this Airplane does that for you.

00:31:37: so it's automatically going to trim all of the flight control surfaces.

00:31:40: So when you let go of the stick The airplane will stay exactly where you put It.

00:31:45: so to land.

00:31:46: you're just gonna slightly push forward until the flight path markers at the beginning Of the runway And then you can pretty much Let Go of the Stick and it will continue to fly towards the end of the runway.

00:31:56: And you can just make small movements until you get down to the runway, all right?

00:32:01: You ready to try?

00:32:02: I'm ready here.

00:32:02: let's do it!

00:32:03: Okay so yeah...you don't even need to touch the throttle ...just stick exactly alright.

00:32:09: Do we have to use flaps?

00:32:12: No as a matter fact because the airplane is so smart It will do the flaps for you.

00:32:17: So your doing very well right now Your flying exactly what you want.

00:32:20: The way that you wanna do the runway in front me Perfect, pointing with the stick on the heads up display.

00:32:28: On runway this throttle is moving automatically.

00:32:31: one hundred and thirty six knots.

00:32:33: I'll apologize.

00:32:34: it's almost boring right?

00:32:35: It's so easy to fly.

00:32:36: you just have to wait for The Runway To Come To You.

00:32:39: That being a pilot Is more exciting.

00:32:41: yeah its our secret.

00:32:43: When You Officially Release The Podcast Your Gonna Say This Was Very Hard And Only very Very Smart People Can Do It.

00:32:49: That's a good idea.

00:32:50: Okay, I can see the braking straps here and you'll just settle down to the runway.

00:32:55: so it's long enough.

00:32:56: You're not on an aircraft carrier.

00:32:58: Yeah that's perfect.

00:32:59: Yep So your at a good landing.

00:33:01: Your rudder pedals there The toe At top of the rudder pedal.

00:33:04: If you push those forward Thats your brakes.

00:33:07: There ya go.

00:33:08: And so you can steer or move left foot Forward and that will steer off to the left.

00:33:14: Okay, and that's all there is to it.

00:33:16: You just flew a full mission in the F- Thirty five.

00:33:18: Thanks for teaching me absolutely very nice work.

00:33:21: We hit two targets That's right.

00:33:23: Yeah looping?

00:33:24: That's Right.

00:33:25: A side roll yeah And you saw how The aircraft could save you if he went unconscious Then came back and landed.

00:33:32: Now you've got a victory party.

00:33:35: Allright let's go do It!

00:33:36: Alright Nice Work.

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00:34:07: So we're in front of the cockpit.

00:34:11: Could you please explain me what are their most important parts?

00:34:15: Yeah, absolutely.

00:34:17: And so you see the first thing that you'll notice.

00:34:19: is this big seat that you sit on right?

00:34:22: So it's a Martin Baker ejection seat made by Martin Baker Aircraft Company in The United Kingdom and as you're sitting at your seat here This seats not only keeps you strapped into airplane make sure of pulling Gs to move around the cockpit but if something happened bad out of the airplane.

00:34:46: There's an ejection handle where the canopy would go away from the airplane, this ejection seat would go up the rails and it immediately give you a parachute that could then safely get down to ground.

00:34:58: so thats first thing you'll notice here.

00:35:01: You & I also talked about the stick in the throttle right?

00:35:04: It set-up just exactly.

00:35:05: were your hands kind?

00:35:07: naturally rest if you're sitting at an airline seat Right!

00:35:10: You'd sit on the seat and your hand will naturally rest on arm rests.

00:35:14: Well, that's exactly where the stick and throttle are there.

00:35:17: So very convenient to be.

00:35:20: There is not a lot of switches or things you need to interact with but see few things.

00:35:26: they're all easily within arms reach.

00:35:28: so were able raise landing gear handle here which was right off your left side.

00:35:34: Sorry for interrupting you, why is the landing gear handle such a big handle and it's not a thing on display?

00:35:41: The landing gears generally... It's something that you want to positively think.

00:35:45: now I need lower that landing gear.

00:35:47: And so its'a Big Handle only as reminder.

00:35:50: okay i'm only going do this right after take off.

00:35:54: I am gonna raise the gear Right before I land.

00:35:56: Im gonna lower the gear.

00:35:58: Honestly This has Landy Gear.

00:36:01: handles have been this way for a really long time.

00:36:04: It's something that pilots of retractable gear aircraft get used to, they know there is going to be some thing.

00:36:10: you can see the handle actually in shape on wheel and so we pilot are just use to look around the cockpit or the thing thats shaped with the wheels.

00:36:18: move it up-and down when want your wheels go.

00:36:20: And in older jets, the stick was between the legs.

00:36:25: Am I right?

00:36:26: That's right yeah so.

00:36:27: and most other fighter aircraft that you fly The Stick yes is Between the Legs.

00:36:33: The Lockheed Martin F-Sixteen Was one of the first ones to move this stick off To the side.

00:36:39: um...and..the reason why the Stick was Inbetween the legs for Most Other Aircraft Is because an Older air craft and This was true the Ones i started flying twenty five Years ago uh....is they were all the stick that was in the middle, the controls were connected directly to your flight control system.

00:36:57: And so you needed a stick that went right through the floor and then connect it via cables or pulleys back into your ailerons and elevators and rudder.

00:37:09: The F-sixteen came before this.

00:37:10: now on the f-thirty five my stick is actually not connected.

00:37:14: any of those surfaces just goes directly And because of that, I don't need the stick to be in the middle.

00:37:22: Because all those cables...because there are no cables and so it's actually a much more natural feel for pilot.

00:37:29: like i said when you're sitting down at an airline seat just put your arm on an armrest.

00:37:32: It is same way.

00:37:33: the pilot can now be in a natural position and easily make small movements off-to-the right.

00:37:39: where the stick is All signals go immediately to flight control computer which then does all magic with the flight controls themselves without pilot have needing to physically move the flight controls.

00:37:52: There is a small display just more or less between the legs with a horizon, what's this kind of backup?

00:37:59: That's exactly right.

00:38:01: yeah so that's we call our standby flight instrument.

00:38:10: and If something were to happen, if we were to have an electrical problem where that display went away.

00:38:19: We want a standby and so the stand by you had down there.

00:38:23: uh...if the display goes way will always be able see that stand-by.

00:38:28: And even if flying through clouds or couldn't see ground would also be able to see our attitude here.

00:38:36: You can see colors right?

00:38:37: There is blue on top brown at bottom.

00:38:40: So let's keep sky up let's keep the ground down and keep ourselves in that appropriate attitude.

00:38:47: so even if I didn't have a large display, i could look at my standby display.

00:38:51: Okay great!

00:38:53: So after flying with the F-XXV simulator we're sitting here on table.

00:38:59: next to me there is pilot Kutcher and Mario

00:39:02: Magagna And Im the Austria F-xXV lead for Lockheed Martin.

00:39:07: Could you be kind of tell us about this program?

00:39:12: The program is very mature.

00:39:14: We have twenty countries who've selected the F- Thirty Five, um...the original eight partners.

00:39:21: five of them were European.

00:39:23: now there's twenty.

00:39:25: those thirteen are European.

00:39:28: we're delivering over thirteen hundred airplanes and counting And we're deliverin' a hundred fifty six units per year.

00:39:37: And so what that translates to is the affordability piece of it all.

00:39:41: A lot of questions.

00:39:42: as I look at this airplane, everybody knows its very capable but it translate too expensive.

00:39:48: not necessarily you know we're trans- one hundred fifty six airplanes per year translates into achieving economies and scales in a supply chain manufacturing etc... That brings the cost down.

00:40:05: thirteen operators in Europe, or thirteen countries that have selected the F- Thirty Five.

00:40:12: We're projecting by twenty thirty five.

00:40:14: middle of twenty thirties.

00:40:15: there'll be over seven hundred F-Thirty Fives in Europe.

00:40:19: You look at Austria, like where it's that Switzerland selected the F-thirty five.

00:40:25: The Czech Republic has selected the f-thorty five.

00:40:28: Italy is an original partner to the f thirty five.

00:40:32: In fact they have a final assembly check out facility in Camry as well.

00:40:37: and And then Germany is just to the north right?

00:40:40: I mean there's you.

00:40:41: There's a lot of f Thirty Five operators in the region.

00:40:46: And so that's why we talked a little bit about the interoperability piece and not so much of interoperabiliy, being able to share data That is great.

00:40:55: but also think about joint training exercises and all that Austria & Switzerland being able do joint training exercise with F-thirty five In that matter.

00:41:05: Seven hundred F thirty fives in Europe also translates into deterrence.

00:41:09: So you know just imagine nobody will go attack Europe with seven hundred and thirty five right behind the scenes, you know.

00:41:17: So that's a major deal for us.

00:41:23: The threat environment as we see it is growing exponentially.

00:41:27: There's always new systems, new tactics that are evolving.

00:41:32: And the F- Thirty five is a fifth generation airplane.

00:41:36: we talked about stealth sensor fusion The internal weapons bay and all the advantages to fifth generation.

00:41:44: So we will always look to modernize the f- Thirty Five.

00:41:48: We're always looking to continually make these upgrades throughout the future To make sure that the F thirty five remains relevant make sure it stays ahead of that ever-evolving threat, and obviously to achieve deterrence for that matter.

00:42:03: But if that threat does eventually attack you has the ability to take care.

00:42:10: really so... The program like I mentioned is mature.

00:42:16: we think its a viable option for Austria as we understand.

00:42:22: they need replace their Eurofighter Tranche One airplanes And the timelines work out great.

00:42:29: The production is quite solid in a hundred and fifty six airplanes per year, you know it's most people could just like.

00:42:37: oh well the queue must be long but from what we believe that we can accommodate Austria's time lines.

00:42:46: You know, we talked a little bit about the training aspects of things.

00:42:52: It must be very hard for our pilots to get there and you heard from Kujo that it's pretty...it gets easier for the pilots.

00:42:59: in the maturity program.

00:43:01: We talked about the twenty countries have selected them The F-thirty five already.

00:43:07: Also the training is mature.

00:43:09: So we've already established that you can easily transition from fourth-gen fighters to fifth gen fighters, so it's being demonstrated today.

00:43:17: Same with the maintainers in this same way.

00:43:19: The maintainers are also learning how to maintain a fifth generation fighter.

00:43:25: The maintenance is easier.

00:43:27: there's predictive maintenance and things of nature.

00:43:31: And for most part I think its viable future for Austria to select the F- Thirty Five.

00:43:37: It'll continue to be relevant, it will help out with the security of European continent.

00:43:45: Maybe you could also give us an overview about versions of the F- Thirty Five?

00:43:50: Sure!

00:43:51: So there are three different versions... The F-Thirty Five A is the Sea Tall Conventional Takeoff and Landing.

00:43:58: Most Air Forces have selected that.

00:44:01: There's the B model at thirty five be a short takeoff and vertical landing.

00:44:06: there are some air forces in Europe that selected.

00:44:10: The UK Italy as well.

00:44:13: It is primarily used by the Marine Corps.

00:44:17: And then, theres also the F-Thirty Five C Which for carrier landings it is primarily operated by US Navy you know, heavier landing gear larger wingspan for basically made for carrier operations.

00:44:35: The C model can hold more fuel just because it has longer wing a little bit heavier.

00:44:41: so we talked about thirteen countries have selected the F- Thirty five in Europe and counting seven hundred thirty fives by twenty thirty five also The European industry is participating in this F-Thirty Five program.

00:44:59: BAE, an original partner or the UK and a regional partner but BAE will do in the AFT they manufacture of.

00:45:06: the Aft Finland company called Patria is going to do the Ford fuselage and we're partnered with Rimetal in Germany, so there's a large part of the airplane that's being manufactured here.

00:45:23: There are additional components like harnesses etc... I talked about Italy's final assembly and checkout facility And for every F- Thirty five that's procured or sold, there is a greater than twenty percent benefit to European industry.

00:45:41: So it is an F-Thirty Five as a global platform but there's massive European footprint.

00:45:52: and then the hundred fifty six airplanes I mentioned.

00:45:56: It's important because its mature program We're achieving massive economies of scale affordability The the supply chain, you know we're not just ordering Twenty widgets or twenty.

00:46:10: You know helmets and things in that nature is just were achieving massive Economies a scale and it helps keep the supply-chain constant With with other platforms where they only building twenty twenty five?

00:46:26: It's hard to have the supply chain build, you know just twenty units and all that because then you start getting into DMS and diminishing marginal supply things in nature.

00:46:38: Just think of a sustainment piece at end-of-the day In one hundred fifty six airplanes A year.

00:46:47: if we go to production line You'll see Finland's airplanes, Polish aeroplanes.

00:46:57: Japanese air planes U.S.

00:46:59: Airplanes and they're all just in one line.

00:47:01: They are not being built you know One after another.

00:47:05: And so All these platforms that You see all These countries at thirty-five That Are Being Built You See There Your Achieving That Economy Is A Scale.

00:47:13: So Everybody Sharing That Initial Cost.

00:47:17: It's maybe a very difficult question, but how long does it take from ordering F-series five to the point when I get it?

00:47:26: So there's a lot of things that go into Ordering an f-thirty five.

00:47:29: A lot of times we focus on just building the airplane.

00:47:32: You know The.

00:47:34: you have the initial piece of long lead and build in the wings and all that.

00:47:40: From there, you also got to think about the pilot training and the maintenance as well.

00:47:45: And then also the base infrastructure piece.

00:47:49: we partner with the Joint Program Office, the U.S government in looking at site surveys going to explore the base, look for the base structure.

00:48:00: We've done it just by everybody else.

00:48:02: There's always concern that this is massive.

00:48:05: You look at the base infrastructure and see what's truly needed.

00:48:09: And a lot of times it just some infrastructure needs to get done, there are some security requirements but they're not massively great in everything.

00:48:20: For most part takes about probably five years from A-B trying all these elements meshed together.

00:48:29: They have to sync up.

00:48:33: There's twenty countries that have selected it and we've done more than once, so now I think there is a pretty good idea of how to do things.

00:48:45: So i understand that Austria needs these airplanes early in the year-thirty, twenty thirty two or twenty thirty three years ago.

00:48:52: We should be able kind meet this demand.

00:48:55: How long does it take to get the F-serty five pilot?

00:48:58: just in general?

00:49:00: You know, if you take a pilot either who has gone through primary training or someone like me Who used to be a fourth generation pilot If I just want to teach that pilot how to fly an f- Thirty-five which he just experienced Which was with a few minutes of instruction.

00:49:15: Really, when I went through my initial training it was within about three weeks.

00:49:21: I was checked out in the airplane.

00:49:22: I had about one week of you know academics teaching me About The Systems Of The Airplane .I Had About One Week In The Simulator Teaching Me How To Fly It And What Any Emergency Procedures Might Look Like and Then i Had Three Flights In The Air plane and I Was Qualified to Go Do Whatever I Needed To do With That Airplane.

00:49:44: There's generally some follow-on tactical instruction that will happen, but I'll say even at that it is only a few months.

00:49:52: So generally from start to finish to be completely qualified tactical F- Thirty five pilot about six months which is no longer than any other airplane all of their fourth generation or before aircraft.

00:50:06: It was only that long.

00:50:08: so Three weeks until you're flying and a few more months, until you've learned all of the combat systems in different tactics.

00:50:16: So it's fairly quick process to get somebody qualified to fly F- Thirty Five.

00:50:22: What does this mean for young pilots now compared like twenty years before?

00:50:28: Is is easier to get a fighter pilot In terms of I think the ability to fly and employ the airplane, yes.

00:50:37: Think what we've done with the airplane is right.

00:50:40: it keeps... The F-thirty five as most complex an advanced fighter aircraft that we have ever had yet to operate at actually keep getting easier.

00:50:52: So if you think about the technology, You had in a flip cell phone.

00:50:57: Right?

00:50:58: It didn't have A whole lot of technology.

00:51:00: and yet If I wanted to text on a flip phone right i Had To hit a button multiple times until I got The letter that I Wanted When we went to a smartphone.

00:51:10: now that's smart phone is a lot more complex and it's a lot More capable, but it's actually a lot easier to use right?

00:51:17: It just gives me a keyboard And I'd just type what i want the same thing as true of an f- Thirty five.

00:51:22: I Went from something That was less advanced But Actually harder To Use.

00:51:27: and The F thirty Five Is more Advanced but Easier to use.

00:51:31: and you asked about.

00:51:32: You know younger fighter pilots.

00:51:34: Well Younger Fighter Pilots Have Grown Up with This Technology and they know how to use touchscreens, And They Know How To Use Quick Buttons Because They've Had That On Their Gaming Controllers.

00:51:44: So It's Very Intuitive In A Very Easy Interface For a Young Pilot To Be able Step Right Into F- Thirty Five.

00:51:54: Maybe we could also talk a little bit about all the sensors that are used.

00:51:59: and how is it integrated in Battlefield, maybe you can tell us a little.

00:52:04: Yeah

00:52:05: so the F- Thirty five You know has multiple sensors.

00:52:08: talked about sensor fusion And doing a lot of calculations behind this scene.

00:52:14: It can share data across to your wingman And it can see whatever you have on your screen, where your sensors are picking up.

00:52:23: You could be shared across to your wingman and whenever your wing man is starting to see... ...you can set primary targets that will show-up in your wingmans display as well.

00:52:35: So data happening seamlessly behind the scenes.

00:52:40: It's not a pilot having to actually manage a sensor or focus on this and make an calculated decision.

00:52:48: We talked about two ships, you know.

00:52:50: just imagine now four ships and your spreading across Austria in your creating recreating that battle space being able to see the entire battlespace.

00:53:00: And now data from uh...your force ship thats on a far left hand side is bein able share data all way to fighter of our right-hand side.

00:53:09: so we talk about air surveillance piece if it's doing combat air patrol looking at within there.

00:53:16: but what about ground troops?

00:53:19: You know, some of this data can actually go down to an operation center.

00:53:23: And from the operations center being able to disseminate that data to ground troops air defenses and all that.

00:53:30: now you have this joint-all domain operations piece of it all... ...and we look at F-thirty five as like a central note in the sky.

00:53:43: It has a lot of sensors, it can act from an air superiority fighter to multirole fighters.

00:53:50: Air-to-air missions and ground missions but also acts like AWACS.

00:53:58: It has all these sensors, it can see very far away.

00:54:02: Uh...it could be undetected and being able to take this information This targeting information And being able display at al the way back To your ground forces without that being detected Is a huge advantage in The new modern battle space though.

00:54:20: So how much data is produced?

00:54:22: Maybe one second or One minute flying.

00:54:25: Can we number that?

00:54:27: I don't think we have an equate that to a number, but it is...a lot of data.

00:54:33: And you know for pilots they're in the sky and fourth gen fighters.

00:54:40: all this data Is coming from multiple sensors.

00:54:42: so just imagine having look at your radar information Your targeting pod, your earth pod, EW.

00:54:51: to take all this data and make a calculation is going to take awhile because your brain can only process so much.

00:54:59: And meanwhile, you're trying to fly an airplane in trying to figure out your threat environment?

00:55:06: It's happening very quickly basically seamlessly behind the scenes.

00:55:12: I notice no data lag from any sensor or anything that i'm getting.

00:55:23: fiber optic internet gigabit ethernet, right?

00:55:25: That's that's the way it feels to a pilot is.

00:55:28: I don't have to wait for any information.

00:55:30: To come back.

00:55:31: It's not like I send a request and then I have to Wait for response as just automatically provided there.

00:55:38: And not only does it give me that real-time Information i mean everything Is being recorded There.

00:55:43: so Any of that information that i get now has data that i've recorded and i can use that You know to learn things about The battle space that i Can take to intelligence or the central command, that then they can use all of that for further information.

00:55:59: And all that's done in a very secure way as well right?

00:56:02: It's all in a way that you can't be intercepted and it's cryptographically protected such that all that information is very well-protected but very fast.

00:56:12: I mean when you were doing...I'm assuming y'all did an air-to-air target acquisition You know move the cursor over And it was almost, I mean you start on the screen.

00:56:22: It's like immediately and its a same way that your wingman would see at the same way.

00:56:28: So Kujo said there is no lag There just seemlessly happening.

00:56:33: You mentioned the wing man.

00:56:35: as far as unmanned teaming concerned what are possibilities?

00:56:40: What could we imagine doing here?

00:56:42: Yeah i'll talk about it in.

00:56:44: kujo can add more but thats something were looking into to future is the collaborative combat aircraft.

00:56:52: And how do we integrate these airplanes, what are the connobs and tactics that would use?

00:57:00: These CCAs have different missions like air-to-air or an EW type thing...or air to ground.

00:57:09: You could fly seamlessly with three or four other CCAs into that mission.

00:57:13: And then the F- Thirty five would be in English, we'd say like quarterback and this guy like an American football but maybe here it's a coach on pitch of soccer field is being able to dictate even more data.

00:57:30: now not just your wingman But you have these CCA providing information too and spread further out as well.

00:57:39: So we are looking into that and think there is a viable future, more of developing the technology than it's developing the connobs or tactics used.

00:57:52: Have you

00:57:52: ever done this manned on manned teaming?

00:57:55: So we've done a lot of testing, so yes.

00:57:58: We have shown some concepts about how all this could be integrated and Lockheed Martin has done those very things airborne in various aircrafts.

00:58:16: but we sent pilots who are able to send commands out there that then autonomously are able to go attack targets or able to intercept any other air targets and we've developed various ways for the pilot to interact with all of those aircraft.

00:58:37: One of the important things which you saw while flying in F-thirty five is because it is relatively simple to fly, and because information gets intuitively presented Again, like the coach on The Pitch who can say okay I really need to send my strikers here and these other aircraft this way.

00:59:01: And so you could be that airborne air battle manager as F-thirty five pilot and just give an intent for the collaborative combat aircraft, the unmanned wingman?

00:59:12: To see if they needed a team to go there or execute it all in command right from the F-Thirty Five.

00:59:22: through the sensor fusion, like it's just now we're adding another sensor and out still being you know disseminated within making calculations.

00:59:31: If if you look at it... We understand there'd be fourth gen fighters also looking to the CCAs in all that.

00:59:37: but this is just now another sensor Another sensor of pilots going to have to look at monitor along with a EW system or radar electronic warfare systems targeting pods.

00:59:50: so from the pilot workload for my fourth gen fighter is going to increase, even though it's a great capability to have.

00:59:57: And so I think that's our main advantage of fifth-gen sensor fusion and we can add additional sensors in added into the sensor fusion architect.

01:00:06: Okay gentlemen thanks for their interesting talk!

01:00:09: Yeah thank you very much.

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